Date: Monday, 15-May-00 04:30 PM
Subject: MS   KENNALEA ~ SO YOU WANT TO BREED YOUR BITCH

I have heard from several of you asking if I was going to send out the
promised follow-up on the actual cost of Gabby's litter.  SO I have added in the additional expenditures that I can recall below.  You can bet that I have "forgotten" quite a few.  <G>  These figures ought to make anyone think before they choose to breed a bitch. What do YOU think?

Kennalea

Date: Wednesday, 19-Jan-00 10:16 PM  
Subject: MS   KENNALEA ~ SO YOU WANT TO BREED YOUR BITCH   (ACTUAL COST OF A LITTER) Since during the past few weeks there have been discussions as to whether or not to breed "your" bitch, I thought that there would be some interest in exactly what the cost has been to get Gabby's six babies here safely.  [Please note that these expenditure do NOT include the initital cost of a  champion bitch  (Ch. Daree's Talkin' A Blue Streak) which is considerable!!!!]

$  75    Gabby - Examination, Rabies Shot, Brucellosis Test & Health Certificate - Required Before Breeding  
$ 550   Stud Service Fee for "Ch. Repitition's Cornerstone"  
$ 167   Gabby Only  -Flight Back to Missouri from Georgia (Cost of trip to Georgia  was not figured as we drove there to visit family at the same time, but MOST breedings require two flights at TWICE the air fare.)  
$   40   Vitamins for Pregnancy & After Whelping  
$   20    Office Call/Exam - 2 Visits to Vet  (no charge for follow up)  
$   50    Radiology - Due to Gabby's Pregnancy Size  
$   55    Vet Test - General Health Profile  
$   18    Vet Test CBC - Follow Up  
$   25    Radiology - follow Up  
$   12    Vet Test - Electrolytes - Follow Up  
$   30    Radiology - Follow Up  
$   14    Oxytocin & Calcium Shots for Gabby (to have on hand for whelping but unused)  Dopram (to have on hand for pups, also unused due to c-section).   
$ 300    Whelp Wise Perinatel Monitoring Service  
$   30    Radiology - Day of Whelping  
$   15    Intravenious Cathetor  
$     5    Injection Cap  
$   38    Fluids IV  
$   25    Propofol Anesthetic  
$   73    Gas Anesthesia/Monitor  (Gas is my choice as it is much safer than older type anesthetics.)  
$   40    Surgical Supplies  
$ 180    Caesarian Section, Complications  
$     8    Pain Relief Injection  
$     5    IV Tubing  
$ 120    Blood Transfusion (oxyglobin)  
$   20    Torbutrol 5 mg tablets for Pain Relief  
$     6    Amoxitabs 200 mg

$1921   TOTAL EXPENDITURES UP TO AND INCLUDING THE C-SECTION

$  100    Lectro Kennel, Control and Heat Lamp for Whelping Box (Flora's Howard made the whelping box or that would be another expense.)  
$    40    Puppies - Tail Docking  
$    40   Gabby - Follow Up Office Visits to Vet (Urinary Tract Irritation)  
$      6   And More Amoxitabs  
$    15   Calcium Tablets for Gabby Due to Size of Litter  
$    30   Nemex Worming Liquid for Gabby & Pups (Done at 3, 5, 8, and 10 Weeks)  
$    72   Puppy Shots - Given 4 Times to 6 pups @ 3.00 each (These are 15 each at the vet's.)  
$    20   Corona Shots for 6 Pups & Gabby (Again, these are 15 each at vet's.)  
$   402   Ear Crops, Medications, Supplies

$2646 TOTAL CASH OUTLAY ON THE PUPS' 4 MONTH BIRTHDAY   (Does NOT include dogs' food nor out of town mileage for either the breeding or the ear crops.)   I want folks to know just how expensive breeding a bitch CAN be.  It is certainly nothing to be taken lightly, either financially or emotionally.  As I have said earlier,  every breeding carries with it some danger to your beloved "girls" - and one must be prepared to take every precaution  to bring them through the whelping safely.  We were very lucky that Gabby and all six puppies made it safely through!!!!

Cheers to All from the Home of Gabby's Wonderful Babies!!!

Kennalea Pratt
Starbound Miniature Schnauzers
kennalea@mindspring.com

ATTENTION ALL NOVICE POTENTIAL BREEDERS!!!!!
Subject: Long but Worth the Read-From the Lab-L List. I have
permission to post this on other lists.  Louise H  hovland@ncia.com
SO YOU WANT TO BE A BREEDER?. - breeding the female.

So you want to breed your female. You know what to expect if everything goes right. Your little girl will present you with tiny bundles of joy. She will lovingly nurse them and care for them until they are old enough to be weaned

You and your family will find great joy in watching and playing with these little dolls, and then when the time is right they will all (or maybe you keep just one) go off to special homes to live out their lives as cherished companions. But have you given consideration to what if something goes wrong? I have listed here a few of the problems that I myself have personal knowledge of. Everything listed has happened either to me or someone I know.  These are not isolated incidents. I'm sure other breeders could add miles to my list. Learn by others mistakes!. Let the breeding up to those who know what they are doing, have the experience, know what to expect.

What if during the breeding............

1) The stud dog you have chosen is carrying a venereal disease and gives it to your female. She not only doesn't conceive but you have to pay the vet bills to get her infection cleared up and she is now sterile.

2) The stud dog you decided to breed your darling to is not experienced. Once the two dogs are joined tightly in a tie, he decides to chase the neighbors cat out of his yard. He bolts for the cat ripping his penis loose and causing your bitch to hemorrhage from within.

3) Your modest girl decides she doesn't want the attentions of this gigolo mutt chosen for her without her consent. She snaps at him catching her tooth on his loose cheek and rips it open sending blood flying everywhere. He retaliates by sinking his teeth into her left eye.

4) You leave your dog with the stud owner because the breeding is not going very swiftly. In fact, it's been three hours and nothing is happening. The stud owners leave the two dogs alone in the back yard. The dogs get out through a tiny hole in the fence and a truck hits your female.

5) You pay the $250-$1,000 stud fee up front figuring you will make that and more back when the pups sell. The breeder guarantees the stud service to work or you can come back again. After 2 months you discover it didn't work and now must wait another 4 months to try again. Of course it doesn't work again, so in another 4 months you take your dog to another male and risk loosing another stud fee.

6) You get her bred. Bring her home. She bothers you so you let her out and she is still in heat and still receptive to males). You here a commotion outside there is your girl tied up with the neighborhood mutt. when she whelps there will need to be DNA tests done on the pups.

7) You get her bred. bring her home . let her out. ( She is still in heat and receptive to other males) but you do not see the neighborhood mutt breed her. The pups are born but look odd. You call the stud owner he suggests DNA testing (At your expense). You have a litter of mutts!. What do you do about the ones you have already sold?.

8) Or knowing she tied with the neighborhood mutt you decide to
terminate the pregnancy and try again being more careful next time. But a few weeks later your female is very sick because you had her given a miss-mate shot creating a hormonal imbalance causing a uterine infection and now she has Pyometra and needs a complete hysterectomy. All plans of getting a litter is gone and your females life is now in danger if she does not have the operation.

What if during the birth..............

1) The puppies are too large for the female. She never goes into labor, the puppies die and she becomes infected by the decaying bodies.

2) The puppies are coming breech and they drown in their own sacks before they can be born.

3) The first puppy is large and breech. When it starts coming your female starts screaming, and before you can stop her she reaches around, grabs the puppy in her teeth and yanks it out killing it instantly.

4) A puppy gets stuck. Neither your female nor you can get it out. You have to race her to the vet. The vet can't get it out either. She has to have an emergency caesarian section of course it is 3:00 am Christmas day.

5) A puppy is coming out breech and dry (the water sack that protects them has burst). It gets stuck. Mom tries to help it out by clamping her teeth over one of the back legs. The head and shoulders are firmly caught. Mom pulls on the leg, hard, peeling the flesh from the leg and leaving a wiggling stump of bone.

6) A dead puppy gets stuck in the birth canal, but your female is well into
hard labor. She contracts so hard trying to give birth that her uterus
ruptures and she bleeds to death on the way to the vet.

If you like this; I have the Part 2 and will post it if you would like to
read the rest of it. Louise H

"SO YOU WANT TO BE A BREEDER" (PART 2)

And after the birthing:

1) The mother has no idea what to do with a puppy and she drops them out and walks away, leaving them in the sack to drown.

2) The mother takes one look at the puppies, decides they are disgusting droppings and tries to smother them in anything she can find to bury them in.

3) The mother gets too enthusiastic in her removal of the placenta and umbilical cord, and rips the cord out leaving a gushing hole pulsing blood all over you as you try in vain to stop the bleeding.

4) Or, she pulls on the cords so hard she disembowels the puppies as they are born and you have a box full of tiny, kicking babies with a tangle of guts the size of a walnut hanging from their stomachs. Of course all the babies must be put to sleep.

5) What if because of some Hormone deficiency, she turns vicious allowing no one near her or the babies, who she refuses to nurse so you have to interfere with.

6) You notice something protruding from her vagina when you let her out to pee. You take her to the vet to discover a prolapsed uterus, which needs to be removed.

What if when you think you are in the clear..................

1) One or more of the puppies inhaled fluid during birth, pneumonia develops and death occurs within 36 hours.

2) what if the mothers milk goes bad. You lose three of your four
puppies before you discover what is wrong. You end up bottle feeding the remaining pup every two hours, day and night. After three days the puppy fades from infection and dies.

3) The puppies develop fading puppy syndrome you lose two. You bottle-feeding or tube feeding the last remaining baby. It begins to choke and despite your efforts to clear the airway, the pup stiffens and dies in your hands.

4) Your female develops mastitis and her breast ruptures.

5) Your female develops a uterine infection from a retained placenta. Her temperature soars to 105. You race her to the vet, he determines she must be spayed. He does the spay in an attempt to save her life, you pay the hundreds of dollars bill. The infection has gone into her blood stream. The infected milk kills all the puppies and the bitch succumbs a day later.

6) All the puppies are fine but following the birth the female develops a hormone imbalance. She becomes a fear biter and anytime anyone tries to touch her she viciously attacks them.

7) Mom and pups seem fine, the puppies are four weeks old and are at their cutest.  However, one day one of the puppies disappears. You search everywhere but you can't find it. A few days later another puppy is gone. And another. You can't figure how on earth the puppies are getting out of their safe 4' x 4' puppy pen. Finally there is only one puppy left. The next morning you find the mother chomping contentedly on what is left of the last murdered puppy.

What if the new homes are not so happy?.......................

1) You give a puppy to a friend. Their fence blows down so they tie the puppy outside while they go to work. A roving dog comes along and kills the puppy. Your friend calls you up to tell you about the poor little puppy and asks when you are having more puppies.

2) You sell a puppy to an acquaintance. The next time you see them you ask how the puppy is doing. They tell you that it soiled their new carpet so they took it to the pound

3) You sell a puppy to a friend (you give them a good price and payments). They make a couple of tiny payments. Six months later they move to an apartment. They ask you to take it back. You take it back and of course the payments stop. The dog they returned is so shy, and ill mannered from lack of socialization and training it takes you a year of work providing socializing and training to be able to give it away.

4) You sell a puppy to a wonderful home. They love her like one of the family. At a vet check done by their vet it is determined that the puppy has a heart murmur. (Your vet found nothing when he checked the puppy before it was sold.) They love their puppy and want the best for her. They have an expensive surgery done. The puppy is fine. They sue you for the medical costs. They win, because you did not have a contract stipulating conditions of guarantee and so as breeder you are responsible for the puppy's genetic health.

5) You give a puppy to your mother.  She is thrilled. Two years later the puppy starts developing problems. It begins to develop odd symptoms and is suffering. Hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of tests later it is finally discovered that the dog is suffering from a terminal condition that was inherited. possibly from your female since you know nothing about her family lines.

6) One loving home decides your puppy is untrainable, destructive and wants to return the pup and get a full refund, which you have spent on your vet bills.

7) One loving couple calls you and is very upset because their pup has crippling hip dysplasia and want to know what you are going to do about it.  You have spayed your female so a replacement is out of the question, looks like another refund.

The Sale:...................

1) You put your ad in the local paper for your pups at the usual price and get only 2 responses and no sales. You cut the pup's price in half and broaden your advertising to 3 other newspapers in which the advertising totals $120.00 a week.

2) You get a few more puppy inquiries from people who ask all about health testing you did before breeding and if the pups are registered. You tell them your dogs are healthy and it was enough and that you could get the papers. The callers politely thank you and hang up.

3) The pups are now 4 months old and getting bigger , eating alot and their barking is really beginning to annoy the neighbors who call the police who inform you of the $150.00 noise by-law.

4) Your neighbors also call the humane society who comes out to inspect the care of your dogs. You pass inspection but end up feeling stressed and harassed.

5) You finally decide to give the rest of the litter away but still have to pay the $1200.00 advertising bill and the $600.00 vet bill.

Still want to be a breeder????